A switch from Kubuntu to OpenSuse 10.2

January 10, 2007 at 4:04 pm | Posted in Kubuntu, openSuse, Review, Ubuntu | 55 Comments

I don’t know what made me do it. Maybe I’m not as big of a blinded fanboy as i think of myself at times. I love free software and Ubuntu’s philosophy. They have THE BEST community on the web in terms of getting aid. There are more blogs, forums, irc rooms, mailling lists, tutorials, videos, and wiki’s documenting everything possible for Ubuntu it’s pathetic. I also, am not a happy camper with Novell recently. And yes, opensuse is getting guilt by association here. They’ve royally made me pretty angry and I’ve kept up with the MS deal and slowly watching them become the next SCO. In other words, i’m not much for the “mixed source” company. I do see advantages in providing MS Office support, increased virtualization support, etc. But they should’ve found a way to do it that didn’t violate the spirit of the GPL.

I’ve tried Redhat 8 and 9, Fedora 5 (which found i far too sluggish). I’ve played with PC-BSD, Gentoo on PPC, FreeBSD, Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu 5.10 through 6.10. I needed something new. And i just couldn’t resist all the experiences i’ve heard about opensuse 10.2.

And they were right. It’s a beautiful OS.

The Install
The DVD iso downloaded in a mere few hours. The install went smooth, though a little long. I got irritated because it kept wanting to install on my second hard-drive and i was unable to find an option to not do that. So i had to start over and unplug the drive until it was installed.

The 2nd problem I ran into was immediately upon booting up. Novell, like Fedora, being somewhat of a corporate leaning distro, I expected my video card to work off that bat. It didn’t. In fact, my entire xorg.conf was blank. Yes you heard right. Blank. Good thing i had my xorg.conf saved from ubuntu, and thank god it was compatible with this install.

Taking a Look Around
I was happy to see Novell App Armor included with the install as I’ve been wanting that or Red Hat’s SE Linux again, which just isn’t all that pragmatic in an Ubuntu machine. Also happy to see the new Kickstart menu system for KDE was installed as well.

But the first that that struck me upon logging in, was speed. I chose the KDE desktop install and upon clicking on a multitude of apps (Konsole, Firefox, Konqueror, Kontact, Gaim, Koffice, amarok, ktorrent, etc) and all opened amazingly fast in comparison to kubuntu. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I was definately impressed, but then again, I’ve been told that Kubuntu was rather sluggish out of the box, and still sluggish after running BUM.

I haven’t quite figured out the firewall as of yet. I’m begining to miss Firestarter already. The only way I’ve currently found to connect to my girlfriend’s shared drives on her Windows box is to simply turn the firewall off when i need to access them. I cannot see a place to open a port for a particular IP address, or even for a particular service for samba. I’m sure this is my own idiocy though, but we could chalk this up to minus 1 on the user friendly side.

Adding Software and Documentation

Yast, is a pretty nice package manager, but I don’t like it as much as Synaptic. It’s a bit too slow starting up. I haven’t gotten around to really exploring SMART as of yet. Compared to Fedora the installation of packages runs fairly fast for an rpm distro. This includes packages both from the repo and manually downloaded.

Ubuntu has a plethora of documentation throughout the interweb (enough to choke some tubes even), on how to install certain software, where to locate restricted format support (codecs, java, fonts, etc). Then again, Suse came with nvidia drivers, it came with Macromedia Flash support (and is far better integrated out of the box than i ever got it to work in Ubuntu. This goes for Konqueror, Firefox and Opera.), and java. I just needed the gstreamer files, w32codecs, microsoft and apple fonts, etc..

It took a great while for me to find documentation where to get them and stupid me, i didn’t even bookmark it. But i got it to work, I was just suprised not to see their forums littered with HowTo’s, wiki’s showing you step by step how to get things fully operational as a desktop. Community support just isn’t as widespread and when i come across something i don’t know off the top of my head with this distro, it’ll probably take me a while longer.

Previous Blog
I wrote a blog a while ago about a week with KDE applications, and i’m not going to rehash the entire thing, but upon using Suse I see most of my criticisms were Kubuntu related rather than KDE related. Just thought i’d note that.

Overall
I’m impressed. I love my opensuse10.2 install with a passion. But now it’s kinda like the passions one might have for a hooker he doesn’t want to bring home to mom. It feels a bit dirty, but i am in love nonetheless.

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  1. The video card problem is strange. Before the first boot, YaST2 will start up SaX2 to configure your X11. On openSUSE, if there is ever a time where X doesn’t work, run init 3;sax2;init 5 as root, and your X11 will be autoconfigured. I’d recommend you rerun sax if you are still using your Kubuntu xorg.conf file because there might be compatibility problems later on.

    To edit your firewall settings, go to YaST and then Security & Users > Firewall. From there, you can open ports and even disable the firewall completely.

    Hope that helps!

  2. A dvd and you still have to go and hunt elsewhere for extras. That’s just dandy. Suse did come with Nvidia drivers so that is a plus.

    Was there any wireless support, drivers, and tools?

    I downloaded the Mandriva dvd recently and guess what? No wireless support in the free dvd. What’s with that? I’m sure I would have hunted around for nvidia drivers, flash, java, and codecs too.

    There are a number of live cds at 700 mb I can run that have all the goodies, video drivers, and wireless outofthebox.

    I’m sure Suse has a number of window managers, audio players, video players, editors, office apps … yadda yadda yadda …

    Just what most of us want, ten of everything else and none of what we really want.

  3. I experienced the different problem while installing the system. I started OpenSUSE 10.2 installation with a lot of expectation (10.1 version was very slow on my PIII/192MB system). My built-in graphics card is not enough to run the installation in graphics mode, OpenSUSE detected the same and run the installation in console based screen. After partitioing and file copying phases, system restarted for second stage of installation. When the system started, YaST2 started in graphics mode but without displaying letters on screen (hope, it did not remember the console mode installation). Then It crashed immediately throwing some segementation fault error and then system continued to boot. Got the login prompt. But what is my root password? I have not yet set. Now I need to manually invoke YaST2 in Second Stage. But it is possible only with root login. What I did? I managed to solve the issue. Here is the link for the same: http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/howto-solve-opensuse-102-installation-failure/

  4. Excellent review, thanks. I am a Kubuntu user myself, and I am pretty much liking it so far. I especially prefer the KDE packages like Amarok, k3b etc. over their Gnome counterparts.

    Now for the big question. I had a lot of problems with packet management in Opensuse 10.1, and I am completely in love with apt-get. Was it hard to switch to RPM and yast? Do you sometimes still end up in dependency hell?

    Thanks again,
    Ask

  5. Askrates, it is not hard to switch to rpm and to yast. All works fine and 10.2’s package manager is much more ready than 10.1’s. Try it and i’m sure you will love it.

    10.1 did work pretty well after some configurations.

    10.2 is so easy and stable. Best distro i have ever tried. All works fine.

  6. Okay, I stand convinced. I will give it a spin :)

  7. I myself switched from Mandriva 2007 to openSUSE 10.2 a couple of weeks ago, and I have to admit that openSUSE is probably the best distro around…

  8. I’ve been using 10.2 on my gateway laptop since a couple days after it’s release. I’ve had a hard time getting the ati proprietary drivers to work. Wireless with my broadcom worked perfect using ndiswrapper. Once the drivers were installed, connecting to wireless networks was a snap, great interface. I found one article that has been super handy http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/60
    I’ve even started pushing this at work, which is an active directory network. I was able to log in to our network and connect to the servers without having to download anything. Even connect to our exchange server with evolution. I’ve had much more luck with this distro than ubuntu/kubuntu at home at work. Can’t wait to see what they can come up with for 10.3!

  9. For additional software, just download SMART from suser-guru’s repo; it comes with channels pre-configured. Or there also was a script around that automatically adds the repos to YaST.

  10. i actaully have gone the other way… i was a long time Suse user.. (since 7.0).. and for awhile loved it. i then tested PCLinuxOS.. been on that ever since.. the last version i installed of Suse on the desktop was 10.0… i was using Suse on the servers however, until the Novell deal.. after that i switched to ubuntu server… (figured id have to make a stand sometime)..

    pclinuxos is based on mandriva.. which i guess is an rpm based distro.. however.. they have intergrated apt/synaptic very nicely… and the nice thing is that everything works right out of the box..

    ok.. i don;t want to turn this into a ad for PCLinuxOS… i have to admit i do miss some of the things that suse does have right… apparmor.. if im not mistaken they have the great eye candy with compiz… if i could ignore my ideals id jump back into suse..

  11. I hate to bust the Ubuntu/Debian users/developers bubble. Ubuntu is nice and it gets all the rave, but it is optimized for the i386. Pentiums are i586. There have been amazing upgrades in x86 architecture since the i386. Last time I tried to run kubuntu 6.10 on a P3 600 with 128MB it didn’t do so well.

    Just food for thought. I think ubuntu or debian could really pull the linux distro world together if they would optimize their compiles to at least i586 like Suse and Mandriva do.

  12. I personally will only use a free (as in freedom), rpm-based distribution which is why I prefer Fedora. I would’ve gone the Debian way except that I can not understand Debian configuration files and their locations.
    I stopped using SuSE when they were taken over by Novell. The MS deal is a vindication of my decision for me. And I admire RedHat for consistently contributing and driving innovation in Free Software.

    But then I also run RockBox on my iRiver H320 and rip all my audio CDs to OGG (for the iRiver) and FLAC (for high-quality backup). I refuse to use MP3 audio except if I have no choice – which means nothing I rip will ever be in MP3 format.
    I also make sure every piece of hardware I use has a free software driver.

    And yes, I have fully functional wireless networking and really cool AIGLX effects. And to me, yum has always been functionally equivalent to apt-get and, rpm, equivalent to deb.

    So the grass is perfectly green where I’m standing.

  13. I was Suse fan 4 years …but right now there’s just nothing that could drag me away from Ubuntu. Suse is fancy and all that … problems begin when you have to configure something the way you like it…like sax for example.Try to change xorg.conf manualy and see what happens.Oh yea and another thing ..very long boot times.There are some nice features too ..like that>> boot to windows feature.

  14. glad you like opensuse. welcome to the party.

    i am a LONG time suse user. i also like ubuntu very much. both have there pros and cons.

    if you miss firestarter and apt/synaptic then install it on suse. those aren’t ubuntu specific packages. that’s the beauty of linux.

  15. you did not mentioned which video card you’re using. however, in my many years using SUSE, i’ve never once come across this issue. i have seen instances where someone has double-clicked the Next button and the installer and breezed past a screen, but i’ve never seen a blank xorg.conf’ file. might be interesting to know which card you’re using.

    firewall is fairly easy to setup. YAST -> Users and Security -> Firewall … Allowed Services, then select a predefined service from the dropdown and select the “Add” button. you can also select the “Advanced” button to add raw port information. also, you might want to hit the “Help” button on any of the YAST modules to get additional information about its use.

    which leads us to your using the term, “YAST”. YAST is an acronym for “Yet Another Setup Tool”. YAST is a collection of configuration modules (somewhere around 75 modules) to configure various parts of a SUSE install. you reference YAST as if it is the software installation tool, when in reality, YAST is the “collection” of all the config modules. here’s a bit of info:

    http://en.opensuse.org/YaST

    what you are referencing is actually a combination of YOU (Yast Online Update) and the Software Management module. YOU is mostly for patch updates and the Software Management module is for adding and removing software packages. (they are actually the same module, but operate in a different “mode” in each case).

    go here for more docs and help guides: http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation

    if you hit a brick wall on something, i suggest you post your question out in the alt.os.linux.suse newsgroup … you’ll get a quick and efficient answer.

    enjoy! michael j tobler – author, “inside linux”

  16. I was using a Nvidia FX5500

  17. OpenSUSE 10.2 is a really nice distro. If your coming from other KDE (or even Gnome) based distributions, using YaST to configure most things is very different–but it is also very convenient.

    Some problems with the system used to update/add new apps is still broken to a certain extent. And, there are far fewer repositories (and they tend to be much slower) than for Ubuntu et al. But, it is a very solid, stable system.

    –Db

  18. I just cannot get why people are so positive about Ubuntu. That was my first linux distro and it almost caused me to quit that thing and go back to Windows XP (with which, I must admit I have never run in any serious problems). I have even red that Ubuntu is the second best OS behind MacOSX. Nonsense. It is even worst than XP. For some days I run SuSE 10.2 – I configured it quite easy and although there are some minor problems here and there everything works fine and I can finally do some things on my machine. With I was unable to do anything – I just get in one problem after another.

  19. I just cannot get why people are so positive about Ubuntu. That was my first linux distro and it almost caused me to quit that thing and go back to Windows XP (with which, I must admit I have never run in any serious problems). I have even red that Ubuntu is the second best OS behind MacOSX. Nonsense. It is even worst than XP. For some days I run SuSE 10.2 – I configured it quite easy and although there are some minor problems here and there everything works fine and I can finally do some things on my machine. With Ubuntu was unable to do anything – I just get in one problem after another.

  20. I haven’t been able to get Samba working with the firewall either. I think if my machine is the “Domain Master” it works because I have several machines and only one of them seems to work at a time. I entered a bug report about this before 10.2 was even released and they pretty much confirmed that this problem will be there probably until 10.3.

    BTW, this is the only URL I use after a Suse installation:

    http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_package_repository

    Once I add all my favorite repositories, I can pretty much run and install anything I want.

  21. Hi,

    I have tried quite a collection of Linux distros (Linspire, Mandriva, Fedora, Ubuntu) and quite a list including lots of variants (Ububtu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu) and I have huge collection of such distros.

    But to my satisfaction, I prefer SuSE Linux though disappointed with the recent Novell-Microsoft news. But I don’t have a problem as long as Novell doesn’t mess up Linux.

    I gotta tell ya, openSuSE 10.2 betters SuSE 10.1 in many ways except it didn’t detect and install wireless out of box like previous distro did.

    For software installation, I just added packman, guru repositories and got installed most of the packages I needed to play mp3, divx, avi, mov, mpg, wmv, wma, ogg.

    Since I had good experience with my graphics card (nVIDIA GeForce Go 7400) in previous versions, I knew where to go. In an hour I’ve got my new desktop with XGL enabled.

    Within another 1/2 an hour, I got KDevelop, Apache (though I am trying to figure out where the hell did ‘http’ went from Network Services in YaST), MySQL, Qt, BlueFish, Adacity & so on.

    I give thumbs up for anyone to try out openSUSE 10.2.

    Adios.

  22. A few months ago, just after Mandriva 2007 came out, I upgraded from the 2006 version to the 2007. I had an easy time of the upgrade from 2005 Lite to 2006.

    Big mistake. The 2007 upgrade was a mess.

    I dumped Mandriva and switched to SUSE 10.1. However, their idiotic software update bug pissed me off, so they went away.

    Then I installed Kubuntu – or rather tried to, since the graphic installer off their free CD DOESN’T ALLOW YOU TO LEAVE THE MODIFY MOUNT POINTS SCREEN! Brilliant! This means the ENTIRE INSTALL PROCESS WAS NEVER TESTED!

    But I persevered, not wanting to try Yet Another Distro, and used the text installer to install Kubuntu. I’ve been using it for the last couple months, but it irritates me constantly. There’s always some little quirk that screws up.

    First, I use a large number of babe photos with the wallpaper changer. If you use too many directories, it apparently causes something to bomb and you end up with the black desktop with no icons, nothing but the panel. Only rebuilding the KDE prefs from a new user recovers this mess.

    Then occasionally when the system is stressed by running some multimedia, you get an “overloaded server” error message, which seems harmless but is annoying – and would be terrifying to a naive user.

    And then there is the Ubuntu approach to security, which is the nonstandard disabling of root access everywhere except through sudo. So you have to remember to type sudo half the time you’re on the console, with no real security benefit that I can see.

    I might try SUSE 10.2 at some point, once they have any and all package update bugs cleared up.

    Basically – never install a distro until three to six months after it is released. It’s probably unusable until several months of bug fixes are handed out.

    The distros need to SERIOUSLY beef up their testing – especially of installation and software updating systems – before they put out new releases. They’re spending way too much time and manpower on “eye candy” like Compiz rather than with the basics that impact every end user.

  23. How much kind did you smoke/drink before all of this lapse in judgment happened? Truthfully Suse is going the SCO path and are dead to me. Long live FOSS and long live Ubuntu!!!

  24. I have used Kubuntu for 8 month now (and Debian Sarge before it). Kubuntu is great, but not perfect. I have tried a few linuxes since then (Kororaa, Ubuntu, OpenSuse 10.2, LookingGlass). Sorry, but I found, for my desktop only Kubuntu can be better than Kubuntu. I do not understand why OpenOffice Writer starts 30 seconds each time in openSUSE 10.2:( openSUSE looks extremely cool, but why are they so slow? I looked for hints to resolve the speed issue, but had no luck. Googling did not help. I had to give up and return to Kubuntu. OpenOffice starts about 10 seconds the first time in Kubuntu, and 5 seconds every next time.
    I would use Kororaa. It had unbelievably cool look. But they no longer come with visual effects for my NVidia 4200Ti, and I cannot see the old beauty :(

  25. Precisely…

    You can tack all the bells and whistles you want on this distro… It’s gonna die anyway.. and when it dies I want to have that yast POS all for myself so I can run over it with my car a couple of times..

    So you guys enjoy your two repositories and your microsoft Linux while you can..

    Did I say Microsoft Linux? sorry.. I meant Suse…

  26. Downloaded mini iso and instaled. Seemed to try to enter X before rebooting but wouldn’t. manually tried as well. Basically had error mentioned above, blank screen. I had no xorg.conf and loads of errors. Copied xorg.conf over from mepis livecd and everything worked fine. And like above I am really impressed.

    Very quick
    Very well laid out
    I still prefer KDE to Gnome but evolution is great.
    Love the way if you click on an rpm in konqueror, it downloads and then offers to install in yast
    yast is very slow though

    Incredibly polished.
    Again like above community support IS lacking. Took me ages to figure out how to get mp3 support.

  27. I should mention that under gnome I have a had a couple of crashes, Evolution and I think Firefox.

    Have not switched main desktop/laptop yet.

    It is currently running on a PIII and yet is still very fast. Openoffice.org is very slow but I have never seen it run fast. Maybe kubuntu is preloading it??

  28. Hey I love Open Linux 10.2 but it’s getting to be a pain getting repositories. The free download has a lot of missing. I tried going to suse site to get the them but they don’t have ones I need nor does the other sites. Someone can help me out?

    Your help be appreciated.
    PS I hate Vista and noway i’m going to waste my money on the garbage.

  29. Mr. Kim. If you are into tweaking and configuring, the following link will take you to the “Hacking OpenSuse” page that tells you how to add repos and extras so you can do everything you need with Suse.

    http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/60

    I do agree a bit with Mr. Creosote and other comments about Suse and microshaft deal. It bugs me.
    Probably outta Suse being my favorite friend I am using 10.2, tho depending on what happens with gates and co. it will probably be the last time.

  30. I had a vaguely similar problem with the disks on installation. In my case the install used the disk that I wanted but then wouldn’t boot at the end of the setup.
    It turned out to be caused by the order that the drives were listed in the BIOS. Reordered them in the BIOS and the PC booted fine.
    Hope this is useful to someone.

  31. I have been with suse in one form or another since 5.0 (1997) and switched to kubuntu after 5.10. Reasons?
    -yast is desperately slow and dependency prone.
    Where do I find the aps I need? 30 Minutes searching bla, bla. I like synaptic, period.
    -apt-get/synaptic
    -automatix2
    -the forum, as metioned is great
    I don’t know if the new kicker is good, it looks great but finding what you are looking for can be tedious. KDE is fast granted, but just getting superkaramba or mplayer installed is a pain compared to apt. You want fast go with elive.Plus every time I boot into suse 10.2 it goes through the fsck prosees and tells me the “disk” isn’t clean and starts in a command line where i have to do startx. The grub splash changes from nice and wintery to plain blue on a whim.
    I like the gui’s for grub and mounting partitions / HD’s. Kubuntu could cut a piece of that pie.
    Politics aside I have always liked suse, still do but I will stick with Kubuntu.

    Cheers to all
    fintan

  32. i would like to start by saying those nvidia drivers you guys are cracking on about are open source and do not enable 3d acceleration. so although they display a picture, imho, they are crap.

    The sax2 issue is strange although the installer for 10.2 is turning out to be buggy so how about we scratch that from the score.

    the reason you had to d/l the mp3 support and associated codecs is simply because legally novell can’t provide this support out of the box. remember the mp3 format is patented and unbuntu is technically breaking US law by providing it OTB.

    the other problems here are mostly individual to the user’s posting them. i noticed one person said their OO writer couldn’t start in less than 30 seconds. mine starts in 5.

    FYI i have sued suse since 8.2 and before that i sue slackware 8. I have recently tried FC6 (waht a piece of crap that is) I’m on the look out for new distro’s to try but any fork of ubuntu won’t be on my list coz i saw what that asshat shuttleworth posted on the opensuse dev’s list. I’d also rather stick with suse as my main distro for 2 reason’s. i don’t believe in spirit i believe in law and fact. the ms deal break neither and also said deal means i ain’t getting sued by ms for patent infringement unlike you ubuntu user’s. think about that over your morning smokes and coffee.

  33. Nobody is getting sued; and certainly not private users. The Novell-MS deal is there to take the wind out of the sails of coporate IT-decision-makers who say they are afraid to switch to Linux for they might get sued doing so.

    I’m a happy SUSE-user myself but I really don’t see a point in Linux users squabbling among themselves about ‘which distro is good, which is evil?’.

    I also like Ubuntu.

  34. For the ones, Suse as you put it may be the woman you wouldn’t take home to your mum, but I tell you what she’s definetly the woman you don’t mind your dad seeing.

    Whilst the political stir, is idealistic, ideals don’t live in the world. Pop into your shop look on the shelf and tell me how many commercial products you can find that are open source.

    Closed source isn’t going any where it’s here to stay, and whilst the community condems it rather than embracing the distros that accept it. They sit behind the windows in the seedy shops peeping through the window.

    This will never help Linux be accepted as main steam as long as the hardcore stand by only open source is good. Commercial companies are in competition with other companies and if their code and hardware gives them the edge, why would they want the competition to see it.

    Rather than using the patent argument tackle your governments get them to stick to EU law, software is not patentable. Then all the arguments for this deal go away.

  35. Novell is US-based after all.

  36. Thats American patent law and thats a mockery of law, doubt you can change that but we don’t have to enforce American law in the EU, Suse was German….

  37. I’m torn between Opensuse 10.2 & Debian Etch (KDE).

    Right now I can only afford to order one of them online as I’ve a very slow internet connection.

    Which one should I go for: Opensuse 10.2 or Debian Etch when its out??

    All suggestions most dearly welcome.

    What do ppl EXACTLY mean when they say that Opensuse 10.2 is VERY POLISHED??? How does it compare to Etch on this issue (POLISH)?

    Does Etch with KDE run faster than OPensuse 10.2? As I’ve heard that the NEW Opensuse 10.2 is really snappy!

  38. I’ll add as much as I’m a fan of Opensuse on my 64bit Gentoo is the fastest, have used kubuntu/ dapper that I upgraded to edgy this was the bit I liked couldn’t do this with Suse. I do think regardless of distro its a personal choice.

    I have a freind and we cant get ubuntu dapper to work with the card with suse I had it working in less than 5 mins, but each to there own. For ease of use I’d say Suse but it comes loaded with apps, now gentoo and Ubuntu come bareish. Gentoo I have to configure normal user to use su.

    Honestly I have a preference to RPM(But thats personal, yet recently I’ve been on Gentoo compiling, compiling….), guess it’s what you want out of it no distro is perfect for everyone.

  39. i’d like to drop back in and mention a couple of things …

    (a) the opensuse team has nothing to do with the Novell/m$ deal – their focus is on the distro and not on the business end of things. heck, if Novell gets too microsoft-ish and things go awry, i predict there would be an opensuse fork.

    (b) responding to a comment about how fast openoffice loads on kubuntu … i predict that “openoffice quickstarter” is loaded as a default with kubuntu. you can do the same with SUSE (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10156)

    (c) all those bragging on about apt-get and so forth, and ditzing on the slowness of YOU/Software Management module, there are other options for software installation and upgrading, such as Smart, APT, YUM, and so on – take your pick.

    SUSE performance – there is a lot of information out there that describes how to get SUSE, or any Linux distro in general, to boot faster, move quicker after login, and to shutdown faster. i run SUSE on a 64-bit box and is runs just about as fast as my Gentoo install.

    regards, michael j tobler – author, “inside linux”

  40. It’s interesting to read you “liked” opensuse better than Ubuntu (you mentioned both Ubuntu/Kubuntu)…
    opensuse is too slow to boot, too slow to install new packages, too slow period!
    Good article….but I’ll stick w/ Ubuntu.
    You can read the opposite about opensuse vs. Ubuntu here: Cutting off Windows – 7months later

  41. As for me – suse is fast enough. In fact, it may be a bit slower than Ubuntu (at least on my machine Thinkpad R50e 1,4Ghz Pentium M, 512 ram) but not much. As for package installation, well, I am patient enough to wait some 10 min more. But I get some stability and easy to use. Yast is really great tool for configuration. Suse is one of the most polished distros I have seen; in comparison to that Ubuntu looks like an amateurish exercise. I need my desktop for work, not for experiments with different packages, so I stick with suse.
    Moreover, I have checked other distros – Mepis, Dreamlinux, PClinuxOS, and some others, and I must admitt that basically they look and perform as good as Ubuntu and sometimes even far better (try Dreamlinux, for example). So, can anybody tell, why on earth people go for Ubuntu? I think it is really irrational. You turn the adherence for a distro in a kind of religion and then you do not need any justification of your preferences – you just love Ubuntu and damn those unbelievers.

  42. [...] Filed under: reviews, Desktop, Op Ed — rossbrunson @ 10:07 pm Element14’s cathartic blogging post about his dalliance with OpenSUSE is interesting and funny, particular since he’s a Ubuntu [...]

  43. “OpenSuse” now a Microsoft venture. =P Bye bye “open”suse.

  44. The problem with Ubuntum is the hype culture. A few years ago the herd en mass jumped on Fedora since it just had the shiny RedHat feeling behind it. Then suddenly Gentoo became populair and the herd jumped on that. The latest herd jump is now Ubuntu. For the herd it is all about being populair. After a new jump only a fraction stays behind. I am glad SuSE has not yet have this herd problem. The distributions are rocksolid and so is the community and support. Yes, the herd may not agree this makes it an excellent distribution. But I rather folow my own way then just blindly believe popularity makes the difference for a good distribution.

  45. I find suse 10.2 ok,.. apart for the same annoying problems since version 8.
    Its too damn slow installing, updating and downloading patches.
    Way way too slow to start up and the same to shut down.
    When you “Abort” a program another log wait ensues.

    Slackware is much better

  46. The person who thought up the name Suse must have realized what it stood for:– Slow Updating, Slow Everything at least 10.2 to do anything.

    When installing Ubuntu Hoary I had over 130 updates which took 2 minutes to download.
    On the smae machine with Suse only 12 updates which took 20 minutes

  47. It seems that the only thing that counts for you is time and quantity. Well, I prefer stability. Moreover, SuSE 10.2 is pretty fast, and if you use smart package manager, then the update is twice as faster than on yast (which is second to none toll for other purpses and any Ubuntu fanboy can just dream about sitting behing his poo garbage called Ubuntu).

  48. You Open Source fans that complain about the Novell M$ are pathetic. What do enterprise class corporations do with hundreds of thousands of desktops, thousands of servers and even more user identities to manage. Use open source what? Red Hat (nothing)? Microsoft(please)? Oracle(OID and what other 20 pieces)? SUN(no full stack)? technologies…

    eDirectory, Zen, and IDM have no commercial or open source equivalents that come close in scalability and reliability for the enterprise…

    Do any of you M$ or OS fan boys have anything with more than a couple of desktops and two servers to manage?

    Novell is the only OS/proprietary software company that can handle the enterprise software stack… That’s why M$ wants to integrate with Suse.

    All software developed to integrate with Suse goes back to OS. This hurts OS how?

  49. I’d hate to disagree here, but RedHat itself is pretty apt in handling the entire stack as well, if you want to just talk corporate distro’s that are supported.

    Fedora directory server is pretty scalable, jboss stack added in, all distro’s handle apache just fine.. as any os does.

    What exactly is Redhat not providing?

  50. I personally find it offensive to read all the “praise Ubuntu” comments on an openSuse 10.2 review, so I will add my two-cents worth here:

    Yes, I have tested Ubuntu and I find it to be an unrefined product (let’s just say it has a ways to go before I would consider installing it for a client). I dumped Ubuntu the moment I found out you had to bring up a shell and manually edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file just to adjust the video card and monitor settings! Ummm…, this is like creating a point-and-shoot digital camera, but making the user manually set the exposure settings before every shot. Like I said already, Ubuntu has a ways to go before it is ready to be installed for your atypical Microsoft Windows user (this user base is nearly 99% of the computer users you find in your average home and business environment). Enough said.

    As far as Novell and openSuse goes? More power to them. I have tested Mandriva, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Suse, and I personally think Novell has the best shot at winning Microsoft Windows users over to Linux. Novell is a very solid company, has a slew of ingenious software engineers, and has the marketing power (a.ka., the monetary backing) to get the word out about Linux. My prediction? In the future, there will be the “Big Three” in the software industry (just like in the auto industry we have General Motors, Ford, and DaimlerChrysler) – it will be Novell, RedHat, and Microsoft (in that order). Yes, I predict Novell to be the Big Dog on the block in the future.

  51. OpenSuse 10.2 is the BEST Linux distribution out at the moment. Bar None. Yast Control Center, Sax2, and and easy Init switching put 10.2 miles ahead Ubuntu. OpenSuse 10.2 may be the hooker of the linux community, but shes the best looking gal on the block.

  52. Well I have been using SuSE Linux since version 4.2. Sometimes I felt I have to try another distro, but often quickly regretted it and put the SuSE back.
    Same recently with Kubuntu. I gave the Live CD a quick (too quick) look, installed it – and regretted it. It looked unfinished, like some early Alpha, Firefox didn’t really work at all, Krdc wouldn’t connect to Windows machines, the “Desktop Settings” thingy is a crippled down K Control Center that doesn’t even allow you to turn off that annoying jumping “launch feedback” cursor. Good thing that the original “kcontrol” is still around… I also felt a bit uncomfortable that no firewall seems to have been running, with no security settings anywhere to be found.
    So I put Opensuse 10.2 back, this time a clean install rather than an update from 10.1, and I feel at home again!
    I am not sure & too bad informed that I could say if I like Novell or not, or to say that Opensuse is the best distro – but I keep going back to it whenever I try another one.

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